Janine Bolon: Welcome to this episode of The Practical Mystic Show. I am Janine Bolon and I am joined by my guest today who is Matthew Schwab. Let me tell you a little bit about this Inner Voyager. Many of you who meditate, you understand how important the internal and inner journey is to your source. However, this is a guy who’s going to help you a lot because he is a lifelong surfer. He basically grew up on the coast of New Jersey. He’s allowed his love of the water to lead him into experiences off– Oh, it just hurts you to hear this. He has been living off coast of Hawaii, California, Oregon and now he lives in Tampa, Florida. He spent 20 years traveling the world’s oceans and experiencing nearly 40 countries as United States’ Merchant Marine Officer, Captain Matthew Schwab has led others through a seemingly insurmountable challenges while sailing the world. Anyone who has spent any time on the water, when you no longer can see land, there are challenges. Period. Case closed. This guy is a master at it. So, basically, he experienced his spiritual awakening through, once again, a multiple near-death experience and Matthew made it his mission to support other leaders like ourselves in navigating those uncharted waters of fear, isolation and to achieve spiritual breakthroughs and personal development. Thank you so much for being with us today, Matthew. It’s wonderful to have you,
Matthew Schwab: Absolutely. Thank you for having me on, Janine. It’s great to see you and hear you again.
Janine: I know, yes, we’ve really enjoyed this together. We’ll have you back on especially as you continue to build on your programs and your experiences. But what I would really like to talk to you about today is you’re so used to having to talk to corporate audiences and that sort of thing to just get them to meditate. What’s lovely about this particular audiences, they already realize the necessity of meditation. Many people email me and say “Janine, you can stop the meditation. I got the meditation thing down. You don’t need to talk to me about that.” But what I really want to talk to you about is what they’ll say to me is how do you integrate and implement some of that stuff that you see in through your spiritual eye, what you see as you’re moving through your meditative space? How do you implement some of the stuff because I’m just worried, I’m going crazy? So, want to talk to them a little bit about that?
Matthew: Absolutely. Yeah. All that practicality, the practical side of being the mystic was honed in the water for 20 years because I always had this empathetic, intuitive and spiritual side of myself. I actually feared it for a long time and it was really going to see and experiencing all these trials by fire that the universe, God, and spirit put in front of me to be able to lead individuals through insurmountable circumstances. A fire on a ship with 90 million dollars of the Navy’s conventional ammunition, insurmountable challenges of working in the oil and gas field while I was drilling, and I was captain of a ship that had a hundred fifty people on it. We were in 17-mile an hour wind and six knots of current, which is equitable to a river. And we were attached to the seabed by drilling string, which we had a disconnect from and almost caused a billion dollars of damage. But because I’m led by spirit and spirit lives through me, we were able to transcend all of that and get out to the other side safely. While I was leading these individuals, I was having this huge spiritual awakening inside myself. It’s almost like I was living two lives. One in complete oneness with my meditation and understanding who I am as a spiritual being, having a temperament temporarily human Experience; And at the same time, I had to help lead individuals through the paths of where they were at, maybe just entering understanding of mindset or just starting to brim on emotional intelligence, understanding like the shame and the anger and the guilt that they have in life. So, it was amazing to be able to observe this whole thing through spirit. I now do that in my business, The Inner Voyager. To be able to harness that energy and be able to be that conduit or levels of different dimensionality or in time, space is huge because you’re choosing to come down from the spiritual realms and practically apply these gifts that we have to people who truly need them. It’s almost like you’re walking around with a cloak and you’re operating in the spaces in between, and it can get overwhelming and frustrating sometimes, but the biggest part– and I’ve actually just learned this so it’s very synchronistic that we’re having this conversation right now. I just realized how to stay within my own body and provide maximum effectiveness in my spirituality to clients that I work with, in the corporate realm, in the professional athletic realm, and not to be able to take on any of their energy or emotion, which is a big part of what is missing from spiritual communities because we’re so tied to oneness or enlightenment.
Janine: And that is one of the big challenges is how do I go about being compassionate without being empathetic? Because as soon as you move into empathy, that is where you start picking up other people’s field. I came up with my own techniques, I came up with my own understandings, but I had to drop the entire aspect of shielding because people would say “You need to put a shield around yourself and blah blah blah.” All that had to go by the wayside because that was not working for me. It took too much time, too much energy. I would love to have your perspective on that.
Matthew: Yeah. Absolutely. Shielding does take a lot of energy because you have to replenish that shield, go back into the meditative state. But really what I found is that when you’re working with people in these third and fourth dimension, I’ll say a third, maybe bringing on fourth, you concentrate, you’re meeting them where they’re at, but at the same time if you meet them authentically with an open heart as we’re used to doing, then you’re going to take on that whatever they have and then you have to learn to process it. I’ve come up with techniques where I can regenerate shame into love, but again that takes energy and then redirect that into something in the business. What I have found is that when you’re talking to somebody and you intuitively know where they’re at emotionally, you tune into that chakra within yourself. So if it’s fear, you’re tuning into your solar plexus chakra. If it has to do with survival or financial issues or family, or something of their core belief system, I literally go back into my root chakra and the entire time that I’m talking to that person, I can talk about the emotion, I can emote that emotion with them so they understand, they feel what I’m saying and thinking. But I’m coming at it from a place within my root chakra, which is letting go of that energy that I have that I might be dealing with and giving it to that person, but you’re literally at home in your root chakra. So I’m having the conversation and as this human, the spiritual being having this temporary human experience, and literally all the words, actions, deeds, and tensions are coming through my root chakra because I’m feeling my home, I’m feeling my soul fully in my body and grounded because that’s what that person needs. So, if you can meet them where they’re at and get this paradigm out of our head that we have to stay shielded or guarded, this will come to you and you can just literally sit where you’re at and not have to worry about taking anything on because our thoughts become things. If we think we have to shield our self all the time, well, then we’re going to put energy into shielding our self all the time. If you’re putting energy and intention into helping that person heal him or herself, not you healing them, now we’re operating from a place of true power, wisdom and authenticity, dare I say vulnerability, but using that vulnerability as a strength and not a crutch. Intuiting where a person is at, a client is at, and being able to operate and meet them where they’re at from that chakra has been a big key in mine and the root chakra has been my home in dealing with things like this.
Janine: Because I got into a lot of the spirituality and novel ways as many of us have, one of the things I was labeled as a first chakra healer because I dealt with money and I help people with their situations of what they thought were life-altering events or what they felt was, they call it “trauma” and we would work and reframe that. So that was one of the things that you and I definitely connected on pretty quickly was “Oh yeah, you are first chakra healer too”, that kind of thing. But when it comes to understanding what you’re here on planet to do, everybody’s had a different understanding of what their perspective is. And so when you were mentioning, “Okay, so, as long as you understand where somebody else is coming from, and that can be a little tricky when it comes to different perspectives because we have eight billion of us on the planet now, each with their own creation of their life, each with their own unique perspective. So, for me, as a mystic and as a professional psychic or whatever you want to call me, one of the challenges that I am presented with is as I move through the time-space continuum. As I move through that, knowing I can create my own reality. There is also that aspect of I must take responsibility for whatever is presented to me. So, do you want to talk a little bit about “We are creators of our own reality” and that dealing with that emotional understanding of “Oh my gosh, this happened to me.” Well, I did that and moving through that understanding.
Matthew: Meaning, you did that or created that being… just clarify that a little more for me.
Janine: There are experiences that happen that some people and myself included for a long time, would say “Oh well, life just happens to me,” right? It seemed like there was no connection between what I was doing, what I was creating and what happened in front of me and it could be in something pretty horrific such as I used to work in the emergency room and all kinds of stuff like that. So there were horrific things that I would see or experience and then I started realizing how I was creating my own reality. I was creating that because of the space I was in and I was actually allowing these things to happen even though I didn’t like seeing them and what have you. It was because I felt I had to be there. So I wanted to talk about being a very active creator of a reality and I know you know what I’m talking about so it’s just the word sometimes get in the way.
Matthew: I got you. We’re on the same frequency, the same wave like that, I understand. So, of course, a lot of this has been looking back on past lives and understanding, listening to understand myself, not listening to reply to myself of why things happened. The keyword that I just use there is “why” because when we ask ourselves, yes, we’ve created a situation or we experience something horrific, the tendency is to go back down to a lower emotional state of guilt, shame, apathy, maybe covered up a little fear and then not be willing to understand it, but really that’s where the strength lies to move us forward. So if we’re presented with a situation which we’re trying to intuit, to feel, and to understand through a thought and conceptualize the understanding of why that happened, the tendency is to drop into a certain emotional state. But if we can learn the art of detachment and The Kybalion, the Three Initiates talks a lot about this, which is a fantastic book, hermetic teachings if anybody is into a cult literature. The tendency or propensity is to go into a polarized state of emotion. If we can approach the situation through detachment, that is understanding why that emotion is there, why being in that state of emotion is there, we can truly detach emotionally from the situation and be able to ask ourselves why. Why is this situation being shown to me? What do I need to derive from it in order to move forward? And how better can I understand what is happening right now? So it’s not so much of “Did I create it?”, it’s “This situation is here. We can connect the dots all day long if we want to until our faces are blue and go back into generations and generations previously of understanding why it happened.” But really, that doesn’t matter because what matters is the situation happened right here and now, how best do we deal with it? How much wisdom can I extract from it? And then what power… I’m going to receive power. The more I understand the situation, the more wisdom and power I’m going to receive. What really matters is what is the intention of using that wisdom and power moving forward? So, just to sum it up, asking if we experience something that we can’t intuit, that we don’t understand a feeling of, we don’t understand the context of, mentally asking why backs us out of that situation, detaches from any emotional state. We’re able to become the observer of that situation, see it for what it truly is instead of what we think or feel or believe it to be. And then we can extract the meaning, wisdom, and power out of it, and then move forward as best we can. Because if not, we’re going to enter into an agreement with situation, with that energetic situation and it will continue to pull us in that pattern deeper and deeper until we decided to detach from it and understand it fully.
Janine: So when it comes to detachment and this was something that I struggled with a little bit when I was first getting into it because when detachment was taught to me, it was taught in a way where emotions were bad and therefore you had to stay in your mind. As a woman, we are highly identified with our emotions because if it weren’t for our emotions we wouldn’t be safe. There have no rational explanation for this but I am not safe here and need to move out of this place, what have you. And so that intuition[?] [inaudible] being detached versus not being emotional, right? Because there’s a lot of difficulty with that.
Matthew: Okay. Being detached versus not being emotional. Emotion, if we broke the word down, is emo is to be, t-i-o-n is in a state of. So it means that we’re literally in a state of shame, guilt, anger, joy, ineffability, pride, courage, whatever. The understanding that that emotion is something that was projected onto us and we chose to take on as part of our being, whether it was nurtured or nature, or was passed through thru epigenetics, it doesn’t matter. There was an emotion imprinted on us and we started to believe that that’s who we were. When we can understand that concept and grow awareness within that concept, now we’re able to differentiate between detachment and being emotional because it is our choice. If we enter into an agreement with emotion, we have now chosen to become that state of being. So, I want to give a practical example of this. You’ve dealt with anger in your life and you feel that you’ve transcended it or evolved past it. Now, because you’ve mastered that within yourself, you become the teacher and those experiences tend to manifest within your life. So, you’re going to attract those people albeit they get angry unconsciously, but we as spiritual beings that feel that oneness, we feel that we’re above that, but we’re not. Our mastery of it has only given us the tool so we can help others heal through that. So, I’ll give you a personal situation. I have the love of my life but everything is perfect. I’ve learned to understand my anger completely and she has some parts where she might get angry about something. So I have to step back and understand that, that anger is not directed at me. It is merely something that she is trying to work through and I have to understand and differentiate and learn how not to take that on. So, when you master that you become the teacher and then you learn how to master not taking that on from other people so you can expand that into other things like a business. Does that clarify things or we need to go a little deeper?
Janine: We need to go a little deeper because the situation that… I remember when I was learning these lessons. I was learning them from people who were rarely [inaudible] and their understanding, which is very mental like they were always looking at the third eye and what have you, and there were times where I had a mush of emotions that I felt come from the heart chakra. I’m wanting to kind of lead us into the direction of there is a state of being where you’re an observer, but it’s not necessarily mental, it’s also of what are the emotions that are literally erupting through your heart chakra as well. Because sometimes wisdom comes not just from the mind, but also comes through the heart. It took me years to integrate both of those lessons and to have a harmonization of the mental as well as the heart.
Matthew: Yeah, that’s huge because then you’re incorporating your multi– not multi-sensory. What is the term for it? It’s evading me right now… where you’re using two emotions at the same time. Oh! Anyway.
Janine: It’ll come to you as soon as we get off the podcast. You can email it to me. I’ll put it in the show notes.
Matthew: I’ll just say a multi-sensory. Synesthetic. You become synesthetic where you’re using two emotions at the same time and detaching thought from emotion, that’s difficult. First, how I started to do that is you have to tell yourself that emotion is one thing and that cannot hurt you. That’s one of the reasons that we go on spiritual journeys, it’s because we… I will keep it in terms of me, I had things within my human experience which I was not ready to face yet. So my spirit, I was living outside my body in my spirit and the direct experiences that I had in life were just giving me the strength in order to be able to experience the emotions that were imprinted on me in the past so that I could learn to master them– I should say dissolve them, not master them– learn to dissolve and transcend them in order for that spirit to fully come into my body. So, I believe that there’s an understanding that emotion cannot kill us. It might hurt, it might be very painful but it will not kill us. I was doing a podcast with a doctor who weeks ago and she had said, “If you really want to put statistics to it, if you want to truly process an emotion fully, you’re looking at anywhere from 90 seconds to 5 minutes.” Now, you may be balled up on the floor crying, wailing, and feeling like you’re going to die but you’re not going to die. That’s just that experience has been held on to you and is that much as in terms of your core belief as anything, but if you put yourself fully into it and you’re willing to process emotion, 90 seconds to 5 minutes.
Janine: And that’s about right, and then you’re ready to grab your tub of ice cream or whatever, your chocolate, your salt and vinegar chips, whatever it is that is your comfort food, and move on. So, we have a few minutes left here on the show. I would love for you to share with us some of those gold nuggets that you have that have really helped you when you were in a place where you were incredibly in a place of pain and you walked yourself out. What are some practical things that we can share with folks to help them walk out of their own speed bumps?
Matthew: I’m trying to remember a… Okay, so I had deeply rooted issues with my relationship with money. I was completely out of balance, but as a captain, I was making quarter million dollars a year on an oil rig with a hundred fifty souls on board that I had to keep safe. So, the way that I work through a lot of the guilt and the shame and my belief systems around money, which is definitely a core belief of mine was that while things were hurting badly, all I could do was stay in the moment. So, it really came back to my breath, the awareness of my breath, and I came up with an acronym that I used, it was called base. When you feel things completely out of rye, you have to, one, come back because chances are that you’ve stopped breathing and oxygen has been cut off to your cells in your brain. So, when I catch myself on that downward spiral or when I was at the bottom and I didn’t feel like I could move forward at all, I started to breathe. Another core belief that I’ve dealt with was my relationship and respect for women and that was more of embodying who I was as half divine feminine, half masculine. There was a huge, huge lesson that I had to learn with that. Base, when you come to a situation that you’re overwhelmed with emotion and you don’t feel you could put one foot in front of the other, you literally have to come back to the base or the foundation and that is your breath or even sometimes your heartbeat. I’ve been so overwhelmed at sea where I was going through this spiritual lesson that I was learning and also dealing with chaos on the ship, personnel, weather, operations, whatever it is. We are getting hounded from the office so I was getting hit on both fronts: spiritual and physical. So, it was literally my breath that drove me. Sometimes, I literally had to put my hand on my heart and say, “Okay, that heart is beating. Let’s start there.” Then I breathe. So that’s the B and then the A is awareness. You’re breathing into awareness. You’re becoming more aware that you’ve become an emotion. You’ve “allowed” that emotion to become you I’ll say. So, breathe and then aware, and then S is safe and surrender. You have to surrender to that emotion and that if it’s a woman, then you are surrendering to the male part of you. If you’re a man, you’re typically surrendering to the woman part of you because you’re creating that balance. So, B is breathe, A is aware, S is safe and surrender. It’s very important to have both of those safe and surrender. When you surrender to it, you’re allowing that emotion to be processed through you and going back once it came into time-space. So, we’re into the field. Then E is expand. You’re allowing yourself, once you understand that you’re safe and you surrender in that moment, now you can expand further into who you are because you’ve had that willingness, that vulnerability to go down beneath that foundation, beneath that root chakra and allow yourself to expand more into who you are to become.
Janine: And that is Matthew Schwab, The Inner Voyager.
Matthew: I’m sorry, there is one more thing that I would like to share. Because there is such an… in every spiritual being listening to this news right now, there is a huge shift going on in planet earth and there is a time where you’re being called. If you’re hearing this, then you’re being called to come down from the spiritual places where we’re at in order to apply all these lessons that you’ve learned as a spiritual being to help those in the third dimension, brimming on the fourth dimension to elevate them up, because what you have done by being, by creating your awareness in terms of spirituality is you have transcended yourself through time-space. You’ve up your level of dimensionality, you’ve also been living far enough in the future where you’ve picked up trends and lessons, and you can use that for good through your intention in a business or personal or nonprofit, whatever it is. But now is the time where you’re being called to come down and help out the beings who are suffering and who are looking to transcend what they are.
Janine: And that is Matthew Schwab, The Inner Voyager. I highly recommend that you seek him out by visiting his website and thank you so much for listening to The Practical Mystic Show with Janine Bolon. See you next week.
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